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Sabriz Adoudel Mission BLITZ 2433	Posted - 2014.04.03 00:28:00 - [1] - Quote Destruction drives the entire EVE economy. Without things burning, there'd be no reason for anyone to mission or mine or whatever. Plus, it's fun. NPC AI is terrible and predictable. Player "AI" is often just as terrible, but it's unpredictable, which makes it fun. And sometimes, the other player's "AI" isn't terrible, and they win, and you lose a ship and gain a few exciting moments, a lasting lesson and a good memory. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=326497 --áPsychotic Monk for CSM! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. If you want to mine in highsec, read www.minerbumping.com.
Sabriz Adoudel Mission BLITZ 2433	Posted - 2014.04.03 00:32:00 - [2] - Quote Pravus Karal wrote: Who or what is the New Order? So even if i mind my own business and ant away, avoiding combat, someone will come by and shoot at me for it? WTF? We are a highsec extortion racket. My signature has a link to our website. We target passive ISK generation such as AFK mining. If you mine at the keyboard and pay attention (and watch your directional scanner for obvious signs of danger), you are pretty safe from our tactics. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=326497 --áPsychotic Monk for CSM! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. If you want to mine in highsec, read www.minerbumping.com.
Sabriz Adoudel Mission BLITZ 2433	Posted - 2014.04.03 00:42:00 - [3] - Quote Pravus Karal wrote: Well that is just a complete pile of... I might as well quit the game with people like that around. There are a LARGE number of countermeasures to our tactics. Ask around for tips (one I'd suggest is flying a Procurer or Venture in preference to any other mining ship, as they are both pretty much impossible to kill without us losing at least as much as you do; another is never be AFK while undocked, and a third is never to fly anything that you'd be devastated by the loss of) And for that matter, we are an extortion racket, not omnicidal maniacs. You are able to buy us off too. Your final option, of course, is to get involved in the darker side of EVE yourself. Attacking other players and stealing their stuff is every bit as much an option as attacking asteroids or NPCs and stealing their stuff, and while some players have worse AI than asteroids, most do not. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=326497 --áPsychotic Monk for CSM! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. If you want to mine in highsec, read www.minerbumping.com.
Sabriz Adoudel Mission BLITZ 2433	Posted - 2014.04.03 00:48:00 - [4] - Quote Vol Arm'OOO wrote: There is always the potential for some form of conflict in eve. Even trading is a form of pvp e.g. market pvp. But if you open the map you will see that there are many areas which are very quite. Even in null sec there are very quite areas and you have the benefit of intel networks. If you move to a quite area and mind your own business the chances of pvp happening are relatively small. Ofc by being pvp adverse, you are cutting yourself off from the best part of the game. This is true. If you want a quiet area with the protection of CONCORD, I recommend a system that is at least 5 jumps from every major trade hub and that isn't a major mission hub, trade route or multiple ice anomoly system. Oursalert (someone can correct the spelling) comes to mind as a system worth looking into. It has enough of a local market to provide convenient market PVP, but doesn't have enough commerce to attract people like me. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=326497 --áPsychotic Monk for CSM! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. If you want to mine in highsec, read www.minerbumping.com.
Sabriz Adoudel Mission BLITZ 2433	Posted - 2014.04.03 00:54:00 - [5] - Quote J'Poll wrote: Although EVE can be a cruel and harsh place, there are equal if not more countermeasures available to make life pretty easy and safe-ish This. I have never lost a ship to unexpected PVP while being vigilant and trying to avoid PVP. I have lost ships to unexpected PVP while being reckless. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=326497 --áPsychotic Monk for CSM! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. If you want to mine in highsec, read www.minerbumping.com.
Sabriz Adoudel Mission BLITZ 2433	Posted - 2014.04.03 00:57:00 - [6] - Quote Pravus Karal wrote: (Gò»-¦Gûí-¦n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ Well that's it for me. I quit. Thanks to nonsense like this order iv'e just been introduced to. Im basically told to go into exile where they can't be bothered to troll you. Thank you for ruining one more thing that might have been a relief from the drudgery of day to day life Goodbye. The worst we can do to you is blow up a ship and capsule, which in EVE is a minor setback at most. And trapping someone in EVE is harder than escaping a trap. This isn't a game like World of Warcraft where losing 'your gear' would be a devastating setback. Your character's SP, your assets (which will be safe in stations), your wallet balance and your in-world reputation with other players are your equivalent of 'your gear' here. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=326497 --áPsychotic Monk for CSM! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. If you want to mine in highsec, read www.minerbumping.com.
Sabriz Adoudel Mission BLITZ 2433	Posted - 2014.04.03 01:11:00 - [7] - Quote Pravus Karal wrote: Being reckless?! You mean by going to my local asteroid field which is just a quick warp from the capitol, going out of my way to be out of other's way and earning enough breadcrums to buy a little ship that makes me happy? Im sorry, but that is the biggest pile of assholing iv'e ever heard of. In doing that, you are actually engaging in PVP. Let's say you are mining for Veldspar to sell, in order to buy a Brutix. You are: - Reducing the amount of Veldspar available for others to mine - Putting downward pressure on the price of Veldspar - Reducing the number of Brutixes on the market - Putting upward pressure on the price of Brutixes As such you are harming other miners and other people who want to purchase Brutixes for personal (or corporation/alliance) use and helping people who produce Brutixes. Part of a game where your actions matter is that... your actions matter. They change the game for other players, even in small ways, that make a difference. You see this in a big way with events that have become part of EVE's history, like the Gallente Ice Interdiction, where one alliance bought up enormous amounts of a particular mining product, then started shooting at anyone and everyone mining it to produce a short-term crisis of supply. This event lasted a few weeks, caused utter chaos, and while the lost ships of the event are now forgotten, the memory of the event and the story it created remain. All that said, unplanned PVP is rarer than you might think in EVE. I've been attacked in highsec on about ten occasions - less than once per 2-3 months, and I'm online quite a bit. If you fly ships that are commonly associated with new players, you will likely be shot at much, much less. Noone wants to steal from a newbie as they don't have anything worth stealing. As an example, I target mining ships a fair amount. The ships I have destroyed are visible on various public killboards. I have never killed a mining ship worth under 25 million ISK, so a newbie that cannot afford a more expensive ship than that is going to be pretty much safe from me because they'll be beneath my notice. (I also avoid shooting Ventures, the only mining ship a character under 7 days old can fly). https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=326497 --áPsychotic Monk for CSM! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. If you want to mine in highsec, read www.minerbumping.com.
Sabriz Adoudel Mission BLITZ 2433	Posted - 2014.04.03 01:25:00 - [8] - Quote My last 'reckless' loss was running missions when I had a public killright against me (i.e. someone had the right to get revenge against me, and they had made that available to the public, and I wasn't careful enough). Even then - flying around in a 300 million ISK ship with a sign on me saying "You can legally shoot this player if you pay 10m ISK first AND I have a big bounty" it was quite a while before anyone attacked me. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=326497 --áPsychotic Monk for CSM! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. If you want to mine in highsec, read www.minerbumping.com.
Sabriz Adoudel Mission BLITZ 2433	Posted - 2014.04.03 01:35:00 - [9] - Quote The entire design of EVE is that it is a competitive sandbox. As much of a sandbox as Minecraft, and as competitive as poker or chess. The combination is what makes EVE the game it is. I don't recommend it as a form of relaxation, I recommend it as a game where you can set traps for other people while attempting to avoid the traps they set for you, but where you do not need extraordinary reflexes or a near-0 latency connection (unlike some competitive games like first person shooters). I have a mindset of "Every ship I ever fly is a consumable". With this mindset EVE is fun. Without it, it's a frustrating experience. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=326497 --áPsychotic Monk for CSM! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. If you want to mine in highsec, read www.minerbumping.com.
Sabriz Adoudel Mission BLITZ 2433	Posted - 2014.04.03 01:39:00 - [10] - Quote Pravus Karal wrote: I have no interest in fighting some kid with anger issues in a game where it's not necessary. I put my health and life on the line IRL, carrying a gun and a badge. The last thing i want when i get home after a 12 hour shift is to log on to what should be relaxation, only to be jumped by some **** who does it just because he can and no other good reason. My opponent in that engagement didn't shoot me 'because they could'. They shot me because I had a fairly expensive module on my ship that they wanted. They could have tried to steal one from an NPC complex (where they initially come from), but instead they saw the opportunity to take one from me - someone that the game clearly marks as a 'bad guy', but in this case, a human controlled bad guy rather than a computer controlled one. They trapped me, won, blew up my ship - and the module in question didn't drop. Ah well. For what it's worth, even though I lost a 320 million ISK ship in the engagement - I had fun and hold absolutely no hard feelings over the loss (and wouldn't even if it was a much bigger loss). If I was going to EVE Fanfest this year and my opponent in that engagement was there, I'd buy them a beer for getting my heart racing that much in the fight. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=326497 --áPsychotic Monk for CSM! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. If you want to mine in highsec, read www.minerbumping.com.
Sabriz Adoudel Mission BLITZ 2433	Posted - 2014.04.03 02:30:00 - [11] - Quote Pravus Karal wrote: Why am i still here? I guess out of sheer amazement of how low people can sink when there is nobody there to govern them. As a social experiment, EVE sure makes the worst in people come through. Chess brings out worse. When I play chess, I go around murdering priests, slaughtering pawns and committing regicide. Rereading this entire thread and seeing the language used in the posts, I'm now 90% convinced that the OP isn't a new player but is in fact a newly-created alt of an established player either trolling or pushing an undisclosed agenda. There's too much EVE knowledge in there for the OP to be a few hours into the game. Well played, OP. Good fight, you got me. I believed you. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=326497 --áPsychotic Monk for CSM! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. If you want to mine in highsec, read www.minerbumping.com.
Sabriz Adoudel Mission BLITZ 2433	Posted - 2014.04.03 02:32:00 - [12] - Quote J'Poll wrote: Sabriz Adoudel wrote: I have a mindset of "Every ship I ever fly is a consumable". With this mindset EVE is fun. Without it, it's a frustrating experience. Quoting for truth. Any ship I buy from the market is already considered a wreck and a loss on my killboard. If a ship does not match that criteria, I'm not buying it as I shouldn't be flying it. Well, I buy ships I have no intention of ever flying to resell at times. I can't fly a Retriever let alone a Mackinaw or Hulk but I've had dozens of each pass through my hands. Every time, taking notes on just who buys them, and adding their name to my list... https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=326497 --áPsychotic Monk for CSM! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. If you want to mine in highsec, read www.minerbumping.com.
Sabriz Adoudel Mission BLITZ 2450	Posted - 2014.04.03 23:35:00 - [13] - Quote Genseric Tollaris wrote: And Sabriz, I'd buy you a beer too . Nothing is stopping you. Free beer, best beer. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=326497 --áPsychotic Monk for CSM! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. If you want to mine in highsec, read www.minerbumping.com.

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